tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2547906701739039088.post1286944474615789816..comments2024-03-28T11:59:01.317-07:00Comments on New Jersey Education Aid: Abbott Ineffectiveness, Elementary School EditionStateAidGuyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00346914457455404884noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2547906701739039088.post-5224857613073196042016-07-26T12:56:08.491-07:002016-07-26T12:56:08.491-07:00I think that evaluating the efficacy of spending b...I think that evaluating the efficacy of spending by looking at the Abbotts as a whole might be impossible now due to most of the Abbotts being under Adequacy anyway and several of them being chartered up. Hoboken and Asbury Park are also affected by Interdistrict Choice. Hoboken has ~160 Interdistrict Choice student (IIRC) who probably lift its scores; Asbury Park loses a few score too and their departure probably sinks Asbury's scores.<br /><br />Perhaps I ought to include notes about charter and Interdistrict Choice effects in Asbury Park, Hoboken, and Red Bank Boro, but I don't think this would change the conclusion which is that even the most budgetarily advantaged high-FRL districts don't outperform the most budgetarily disadvantaged districts. <br /><br />StateAidGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00346914457455404884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2547906701739039088.post-742846855738995632016-07-26T11:39:28.842-07:002016-07-26T11:39:28.842-07:00Jeff,
Bruce's blog includes a list of K-8 sch...Jeff,<br /><br />Bruce's blog includes a list of K-8 schools across the state, evaluated based on multi-year growth, adjusted for funding and demographics. <br /><br />You also would need to include charter in any analysis. They are a third or more of Newark and Camden and Hoboken publicly-funded students and account for substantial percentages of other former Abbotts as well. Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04094617130774541174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2547906701739039088.post-71795789147127269172016-07-26T09:53:39.753-07:002016-07-26T09:53:39.753-07:00Julia,
Thank you for reading and commenting.
I ...Julia, <br /><br />Thank you for reading and commenting.<br /><br />I used the School Performance Reports for school-level Economically Disadvantaged (FRL) rates. I didn’t have access to school-level FL rates, but when I looked at the district-level data in the Enrollment files from 2013-14 I found that the non-Abbotts actually had HIGHER average FL rates. <br /><br />The eight Abbotts districts here are 55% FL eligible. The eight non-Abbotts districts are 70% FL eligible. <br /><br />I didn’t FL include this originally because I am doing school-specific comparisons and if I throw in a district-wide comparison it would require a paragraph of explanation that would distract from my overall point.<br /><br />The school-level comparisons are heavily weighted towards big districts like Bayonne and I was trying to not get too deep into statistical weeds. Also, for some districts, like Phillipsburg, there’s an influx of kids from outside the town in high school and that skews the district-level numbers. (Phillipsburg HS has kids from a few other towns.)<br /><br />Although the Abbotts as a whole might have higher FL rates than the eight non-Abbotts discussed here, districts like Pemberton, Phillipsburg, and Hoboken don’t have high FL rates at all. Pemberton was only 35% FL. Phillipsburg was only 45% FL. Hoboken was 46% FL.<br /><br />I didn’t look at LEP. It was just a step I skipped, but I think the non-Abbotts would be higher or the same. Hoboken, Pemberton, Phillipsburg are 1% LEP, after all. You can criticize me for not looking at LEP, but LEP rates don’t vary as much as FRL/FL rates do and there’s more subjectivity involved in diagnosis. <br /><br /><br />I made no attempt to control for charters, but charterization was a reason I initially avoided elementary-level comparisons and focused on high school comparisons. Surely in some cases, like Hoboken, charters are a negative academic impact, but charters aren’t as big a factor in most of these districts. Red Bank Boro is a non-Abbott and it’s negatively affected by a charter school, so there is a slight evening-out between Abbotts and non-Abbotts of the charter skimming effect. <br /><br />I looked at the Bruce Baker post you forwarded. It looks like a charter/non-charter comparison and that is not what I am interested in here. I am interested in Abbott/high-FRL non-Abbott comparisons.<br /><br /><br />Again, thank you for reading.<br />StateAidGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00346914457455404884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2547906701739039088.post-61000039711303790122016-07-26T09:18:22.545-07:002016-07-26T09:18:22.545-07:00Jeff,
Did you control for school-level demographi...Jeff,<br /><br />Did you control for school-level demographics, including LEP and special needs as well as free lunch or are you just comparing elementary schools and assuming comparable district wide demographics? <br /><br />Did you include charter students? They also benefit from the additional funding and charters are concentrated in the former Abbots and tend to have the highest scoring students because of creaming. <br /><br />You may want to look at Bruce's analysis in which he looks at score growth over multiple years at all K-8 schools, controlling for demographics plus funding.<br /><br />Here's the link: https://schoolfinance101.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/ed-writers-try-looking-beyond-propaganda-press-releases-for-success-stories/Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04094617130774541174noreply@blogger.com